September 22, 2011

Even Noam Chomsky knows BDS actions Antisemitic

Guest post from Geoffff ... with startling admissions from Chomsky:

Any remaining readers of WD [where they have resorted to publishing posts by the habitually hysterical  M.Sherp; threads on which she then posts almost all comments - Ed] will likely know my opinion of the hugely famous leading left intellectual, 2011 Sydney Peace Prize recipient and scrawny old git, Noam Chomsky.

Here's a video of the great man having a spray about BDS [the Bush Derangement Syndrome people want their abbreviation back - Ed] a while back. It's about fifteen minutes but well worth the listen. I've watched through three times now.

The underlying message is as disgusting as ever of course, but anybody who regards themselves of the thinking left [increasingly an oxymoron? - Ed] should at least listen to what this nasty old man has to say.  

BDS is hypocritical to the high heavens. Anything that targets Israel alone can be attacked as antisemitism and "unfortunately this is with justice". It harms the "whole movement"  It harms the Palestinians and this is so obvious it is probably intentional. It is a gift to the Israeli hardliners and their American supporters. "You may as well just join AIPAC and be done with it". 


Those are not my words.  This is what Noam Chomsky himself says!

There is something very strange about Chomsky, at the very core of the man, but no would deny the old goat is as cunning as a shtetl rat, as they say in Saudi Arabia. He knows when the dickheads are on a loser. They should listen to the man.

How on earth is this going to help those Israelis who still believe there is a chance for peace, and their foreign supporters? A global antisemitic campaign aimed at tearing down the Jewish state right on the eve of an UN general resolution "recognising Palestine" but not recognising any border to Palestine, explicitly or implicitly, between the "river and the sea".

A journalist in Libya reported the other day "an old Arabic saying" he picked up from fighters closing in on Tripoli.

"You can piss on me but don't tell me it's raining" 

Says it all really.

Everyone who has any remaining interest at all in this important subject need to be very clear about one central fact. Israel is not about to dissolve like a pillar of salt as if it was the old apartheid regime in South Africa. Israel is not the old apartheid regime in South Africa and those who would suggest this racist lie must be confronted.

Why not accept the Jewish state? It's been there for over sixty years now and it is one of the most successful and productive nations on the planet. That deluded old American man may actually believe that the US can be persuaded to abandon Israel as if it was the old apartheid regime in South Africa by some kind of American domestic campaign, but he of course is plain crazy. His job ultimately is to persuade Americans to abandon America. Israelis have their version. So does Australia. Every country does. It's just that in some countries they are free to say what they like and in other countries they get their heads chopped off  and in America they are freest of all. Surely that is the whole point on the subject of human rights.It is also at the very core of the relationship between the American and Israeli peoples and that's just for a start.
The nasty old hard core left just don't get that.

Sooner or later you must ask this question:

Is there space for the Jewish state between the river and the sea?

BDS says no.
Fatah says no.
Hamas says kill all the Jews.
So do a lot of other people.
Where do you stand?
Why do the "friends" of Palestine not ask their "friends" that question? Whoever "they" are.

If you have listened to that video you may also be interested in the great man again on the subject here in an earlier discussion in a classroom.

Note the rapt girl in the red top who at one point "outs herself' as on some Jewish network of some kind. I couldn't catch the name because she garbled it but obviously she thought this was important.

These people fascinate me.

The great man is due in Sydney later this year to pick up his peace prize.  November suddenly got interesting.

There might even be an opportunity for someone to put the question to the man himself. 

Where does he stand?


  1. geoffff5:45 PM

    Something pretty interesting is going on. There has been an explosion in the number of pro-Israel blogs and some of them are pretty edgy. This guy for instance.

  2. geoffff10:59 PM

    There's evidence of a seachange going on in the political alignment of American Jews and that is huge bad news for Democrats.

    "The stunning electoral upset in New York’s Ninth District – the most Jewish populated congressional district in the United States which had not elected a Republican candidate since 1922 – indisputably confirmed this. The defeat of the Democratic candidate 54% – 46% was a massive display of non-confidence in the Obama administration and could represent a watershed in Jewish commitment to the Democratic Party. Even if a majority of Jews continue to back Obama, the level of defections from a record support of 78% at the last election represents a massive turnabout."

    The Democrat incumbent was an orthodox Jew with an impeccable pro-Israel record. The Republican candidate was a gentile and not well known to the electorate. He campaigned on only one issue. Israel.

    This is big. The Democrats have always been able to rely on overwhelming support from the Jews who traditionally are liberals. Without it this will be a disaster in key states like Florida, Pennsylvania, NY and California.

  3. That's not a happy anecdote of political evidence, Geoff.

    I struggle to believe that Obama / Democrats will be slaughtered at the next election, at least not in light of the alternative candidates for leading the GOP, and not in light of the GOPs "no, no, no" approach to everything (clearly Abbott has been earning extra money giving negativity coaching).

  4. geoffff7:20 AM

    For sure there is an element of what we in Australia would recognise as by-election blastback about this result, Caz. But there is some other evidence, including opinion polls, and it can't be overstated how wedded to the Democrats the Jewish vote was.

    Obama made the strongest pro-Israel speech in the UN the other day of any US president in history. There has to be a link.

    The Europeans hate that influence. They regard the influence of American Jews as a threat to the world. Europeans have been very good at demonstrating their conviction on these subjects over many many years.

  5. geoffff7:31 AM

    It is a good thing that the Democrats cannot take that vote for granted. It also puts the influence of liberal Jewish groups, such as J-street, in perspective. There has been a strong tendency among Israel sceptics, such as the non-Murdoch media, to misunderstand, misrepresent and overstate this.

    In my lifetime a similar thing has happened in Australia. At one time the Jewish vote was welded on to the ALP (or points further left). My parents were activist Liberal Party members, and they weren't alone, but they were the exception. Now neither side can take the Jewish vote for granted (for what it's worth) and they know it.

  6. Once was s time that many voting blocks were welded to the ALP, Geoff, now ... they'll be lucky if their own relatives will vote for them.